Behold, in 6 minutes and 23 seconds, almost everything that's wrong with the Religious Right. Nonsense rules, stifling freedom, sexism, outdated morality, political ideology, and even a little bad science thrown in.
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Thanks so much for that title. Now the people in the library are looking at me weird because I nearly snarfed my coffee. :-)
does anyone else get a creepy incest vibe from this
The "Lord" doesn't say anything about not having sex. Just not get married as a no-virgin. The only reason why is to keep whoever married the virgin knows that their children are theirs. The idea that the alpha male is giving his daughter away comes from wedding tributes and is very sexist. We all know that if the wife isn't a virgin by proof of bedsheets, she must be stoned to death!
*GAG* You aren't the only one, Bruce.
Purity rings are awesome to have, though, especially when they aren't yours. ;)
That was rather creepy. A room full of older men and all the women are young enough to be their daughters -- wait, they are their daughters. And all these old guys are preoccupied with their daughters' hymens. Really creepy.
Why aren't boys going to purity balls with their mothers?
Oh my gosh, thank you guys! I got the creepy vibe too, in spades. Nothing wrong with a dad spending time with his daughter on an outing, however "dating" Daddy? *shudders* That's just disturbing!
The mother does comment that she plans to attend similar events with her son when he's old enough.
But yeah...some of those looks the father was giving the daughter were distinctly unfatherly.
I love my daddy....
a) very much
b) very very much
c) very very very much
d) all night long
So either these fundies are incestuous or they don't understand what the word "date" means in the context of getting to know somebody for a potential emotional and *gasp* physical relationship. This video is extremely disturbing.
I liked how the only reason the parents like Pres. Bush is because he pushes abstinence education. "It works every time" except that it doesn't.
Apparently starting wars, not helping others in need (a la Katrina), and going above and beyond in helping rich cronies gather more wealth and screw over more people were lessons of Jesus that I missed.
But but but abstinence! Sex is the EBIL!
There's nothing wrong- in fact there's much to be said in favour of it- with reminding teenagers that it's perfectly valid to wait, to not have sex.
But pressure works both ways.
Statistically, a number of those girls won't keep to those vows and they will feel so terrible about it. Even worse than the standard 'my heart's been broken' thing which, yes, sucks, but can also be a valuable learning experience. After much chocolate. Personal experience, here. And it will alienate them from what should be their ultimate support group- their family.
Plus, as has already been mentioned above- ew, creepy!
If you really want to get laid as a teen, make sure you take a virginity pledge. Then you're 50% likely to have sex that year. Woohoo!
This is seriously creepy. There is no reason these dads need to be so focused on their girls' sex lives rather than the girls themselves. I had a very close relationship with my dad when I was a teen. Shockingly, though, it was based on his respect for me as an individual rather than his focus on the status of my hymen. I know, we were really a shameful family what with the whole gender equality and mutual respect and all that.
How appropriate that I'm reading Lolita right now....
I think the comment by Anonymous two quotes above needs to be quoted for truth.
"I had a very close relationship with my dad when I was a teen. Shockingly, though, it was based on his respect for me as an individual rather than his focus on the status of my hymen."
Well said.
I once saw a different purity ball video, where a father said "My daughter told me she isn't interested in having a boyfriend. Her love for me replaced that need in her!"
Aside from the obviously incestuous creepiness of the above, it's disturbing on a psychological level. He's basically rationalizing away his daughter's very real need for normal, healthy emotional development. That includes boyfriends and yes, that does include getting your heart broken. I'm sorry, but hurt and disappointment are parts of life, and you need to experience and understand them.
"I love my daddy....
a) very much
b) very very much
c) very very very much
d) all night long"
Okay, you owe me a new monitor, one that doesn't have coffee all over it.
"Now when I hear about religious people holding balls, I usually think of Catholics."
Bill Maher
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6RHHoVQn5tI
I have a collection of 5 purity rings. I'm hoping to collect the sixth very soon...
I don't think there's anything wrong with teaching abstinence with other sex ed...it's not teaching them abstinence that bothers me, it's replacing romantic boyfriend interest with daddy...ugh. And you two are both correct, getting your heart broken is a fact of life and something you need to deal with. This girl is going to miss out on the much needed parent support when that happens. My first true broken heart I thought something was wrong with ME and went crying to my grandma, it's because of her that I learned to look at it healthily. It just happens that way sometimes, for all kinds of reasons. Without that sense of worth she inspired and the assistance of someone older, I think it would have made me like many of my girlfriends that didn't have that figure, dating and sleeping with every thing that looked at me to find acceptance.
Instead these girls may get their first heart break and then settle for less so it doesn't happen again...or do like my pentecostal friend Nita. She was a virgin until 21, devoted to her church. I'm not sure what happened, but that girl cut off all her hair, took up smoking, got drunk and slept with her best friend's husband. It went downhill from there.
It's a dance. That's all it is. Don't go burying it beneath religious dogma. It's just white people dancing to equally white music.
My goodness, if these people wanted to create a father/daughter bond, why don't they just have a picnic or something like that?
At any rate, being the feminist that I am, it comes off as a bit patriarchal. It's like the father is almost controlling those young women sexuality, until they're married.
And yes, I do get incestuous vibes from this.
Mr. Vorhias: What the hell are you talking about? It's much more than just a dance. It's positively LADEN with religious overtones. There's nothing BUT religion here.
Why is that so hard for you to see?
Conservative Christian here. Just a couple comments about these "purity balls":
1. Good intentions
2. Based on good principles
3. Very silly and superficial
4. Fathers direct involvement in matters of their daughters sexuality is questionable
5. Made me a little sick feeling
6. No harm done, they seem happy, good for them
PS. I would be interested in better understanding why these people believe what they do. Overall, they seem very caught up in Christian tradition and this can be a trap for them if they honestly have a desire to know the Lord. Tradition is a very subtle trap that can encourage us to take part in something without understanding why or without any clear purpose behind it, sometimes to the point of blinding us to the real truth.
Exactly what "good ideas" are behind this?
Suddenly I am grateful for the day my daddy decided to teach me how to clean a fish as part of our daddy-daughter bonding. I was six. I never ate fish again. But it still wasn't as gross as this.
Seriously, what the hell is wrong with fishing or something instead? Anonymous got it dead to rights.
It really shows that the FLDS isn't that far from other flavors of fundie-ism in America, too.
I had to look for lots of Roots and Sinead videos at YouTube to cleanse my eyes, ears, and mind after this.
I never mentioned anything about "good ideas". I think the whole "purity ball" thing is a silly and superficial idea; however, there are good intentions behind it and good principles buried deep down underneath all the flowery nonsense.
Good intentions? Seriously? This seems more like super creepy Dads being selfish about their daughter's lives in super creepy ways.
All I could think about when I saw that huge fundie family was how rough it would be if one kids turned out to be gay. Gay kids have it rough enough but I can't imagine growing up in house full of those looney toons.
The Watcher: That's not what I meant. I know it's had a lot of religious jargon forced onto it, but at it's root all it is is a dance. There's nothing special about it, and if they weren't calling it Christian and practically ORGASMING over how pure they perceive themselves to be, it'd still be just another dance.
It was more a comment on how Christians unnecessarily feel the need to have their own everything.
I don't think it's just a dance. "Just a dance" doesn't involve pledges to remain a virgin until marriage and let Daddy hold the keys to your vagina until he's ready to transfer them to a man he approves of. "Just a dance" doesn't ask a teen girl to *date* her dad instead of a boy her own age. "Just a dance" doesn't have the underlying message that a girl can't be trusted with her own mind, body, emotions, sexuality.
This article tells a bit more.
I note this seems rather disturbing. Just a little you know.
I also note that Mr. Vorhias said it seemed okay cause it was all white folk doing white folk things with white folk music.
I guess that makes it all okay. As long as it's white Christian folk you know.
Shit, I can't believe these ass-clowns actually manage to survive.
Where's the bad science? I saw everything else you mentioned.
Do you have this same attitude towards same-sex weddings?
I don't understand what is wrong with this. First of all, have any of you notice how almost everyone who has gotten married, and has had sex before marriage..have gotten divorced! I believe if a woman or a man have sex with anyone before marriage, get bored, and have thoughts like "Oh, he/she is not as good as a last guy/girl I did this with." ect. And getting in to relationships before marriage does NOT help you grow and learn from your mistakes. It just makes your heart weak. You should go through the mistakes and fix them with your husband, so you can build a stronger relationship.
Besides, if you do have sex before marriage, you will probably want to cheat more then staying pure when getting married.
I want to kiss my husband at the alter (which is why they even have weddings and kiss at the alter). If you haven't kissed another man before you got married and only kiss your husband, it makes it so much special. If I married someone who had already had sex before me, it would not make me feel special.
You are to love you father and mother. And the way you are putting the fathers down for seeming creepy, you should be ashamed. You are just trying to make them out the be creeps for loving there daughters! Probably the only reason you find that creepy was cause you were never loved like that. It is JUST a father daughter love, not more.
Who said dancing with your daughter was creepy. On your wedding day..don't you have a father daughter dance. And when the father is taking the daughter down the alter..he is giving her away.
I for one am going to stay pure, love my husband, and know I am the first woman he is ever going to be with.
Destie i personally think it is more the having the father as a substitute for the Young woman (not girl) having any sort of relationship with someone in her own age range and giving control of her intimate life to her father
Well her father isn't controlling her life...just making sure she doesn't have sex. I see people saying "He is controlling her life".
He is only controlling like one thing really. It is a fathers duty to protect there kids in the way they want to. I don't understand why people have to have sex early anyway?
Please tell me my we can't save it for the special person you are going to marry.
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